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SPEAKER_07:Where we discussed all things on two wheels, the adventure bike cannonball, and other motorcycle-related nonsense.
SPEAKER_02:Season four, episode two. Welcome to Adventure Cannonball Podcast. I am your host, Taylor Lawson, and today I am joined by someone who absolutely knows how to order the appropriate amount of sushi and food for an awards banquet. He is better known to you as Aaron Puffall. Welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_03:Wow, high praise. Thank you, sir. Thanks for having me. I appreciate you doing this.
SPEAKER_02:I just gotta say a caveat on the uh or sort of a backstory on the first bit is that when you and I went to another rally, we will not discuss which one it was. The food was gone after the first, I don't know, 15 people went through, and there was a whole room full of people who didn't get to eat. I'm kidding. It was probably more like the first 20 people who went through. But I know that you didn't get to eat. As a result, I had to buy you copious amounts of rum and cokes that evening. But I don't think that compensated for the lack of food. And you have made up for it duly in this event. Well done.
SPEAKER_03:Thanks. I think maybe I overdid it. I was so concerned about running out of food that at the end of the night there was, you know, I think three, four platters of sushi left and all these chicken wings and stuff. And thankfully the staff all took it home. So uh it none of it was wasted. And as a matter of fact, I just I'm just signing the contract with the uh Hilton in Monterey. And uh I think they think I'm crazy because I'm like, we gotta have enough food. I'm not really sure many people are coming yet, but you know, we need to make sure that everyone's covered. Are you sure this is enough? Please ask the chef for some advice. So, anyways, yeah, it kind of maybe left the uh PTSD as far as uh food goes. But I today, speaking of food uh and drinking too much, I have in front of me a Main Street brewing from Victoria, British Columbia. It's called a naked fox West Coast IPA, 6.8%, an IBU of 55.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah. Very nice. Thank you. I like it. I um I've gone back to the apocalyptic thunder juice. So great. New England IPA. What a great name. It's got great graphics on it too. It's like a totem pole. Nice. Enjoy, sir. You deserve it. Hang on. Let me let me let me try to open this without getting it all over the uh the keyboard. Hang on. Successful.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. Uh while while you're enjoying a sip of that, we started the episode with some music about the 2025 cannonball. And we will, before the outroll, we'll roll some music about the 2026 event. And today we're gonna cover India and we're gonna cover the Royal Mavericks. We're gonna cover an interview with Fajish, our photographer from India, and some ADV cannonball news. So it's a big one, but I'll put some uh chapter markers in for people if they want to skip ahead.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, nice. Yeah, it's we got a lot to cover. Um, that said, let me ask you, how was it getting to India for you?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was a bit of a trip. Um, but I had arranged a stopover in Japan because I thought I'm gonna go take some photography and rent a motorcycle. So once I got there, it was clearly apparent that it was hot. It was hotter than than hell, and it was hot in the middle of the night. It's easy to get around, that's for sure. But the photography, you know, dream went out the window. I took two pictures and I stopped. But I had some important advice for people about renting a motorcycle in Japan. Taylor, have you been to Japan before?
SPEAKER_02:I have, but I was there, yeah, I was there. Um, partly on business, part for fun. But either way, I did not get my hands on a motorcycle when I was there.
SPEAKER_03:So there is a company called rental819.com. It's not sponsored, and this is the company that you want to use, but you have to, have to, have to fill out your account two or three days before you decide that you want to rent. And don't make the same mistake that I did. Your actual international driving permit, you have to have it issued within one year of attempting to use it. It doesn't say on the front that it expires in one year, it says it in the back somewhere. But I had arranged to rent this motorcycle. I was all excited, and I got an email from them saying that my IDP was expired. And then I went down a rabbit hole of, well, I can just get one online. And no, no, this is Japan. So they are not going to allow you to use some hokey uh IDP from you know Nigeria. You have to have one from, you know, like AAA or CAA, one of these actual, you know, reputable people who issue these driver's permits.
SPEAKER_02:Um, on that, I got one before an international driver's permit IDP before I went to India. It was never asked for, but had it been asked for, I would have had it. But it's interesting, there's two different types. There's one that lasts for one year and one that lasts for two years. And depending on the whatever that country subscribes to, or whatever convention that it was written under that that country signed on to, it either is one year or two years. And in and I did mine online through a car club in Sweden, and it was 40 US dollars, it arrived in four days. And they said for India, it was a one year only, but some countries are two. But as you say, like Japan obviously was a one year.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, just make sure that the convention that your IDP is being written to uh conform to, make sure that this company, the rental 819, you are conforming to whatever you know guidelines they have. It's very strict, but it is, you know, it's a high trust society. So I actually went to the rental place where I was going to pick up my motorcycle just because just because it had nothing to do. And I went there and I I looked at the bike I was gonna rent and I dreamed of ripping around the countryside. And you literally just show up, you scan a QR code, and a guy goes, There's your motorcycle, have a nice day. And it is it is great to function in a high trust society. And even getting over there, I flew on um a Japanese airline, and what an experience, man. I walked up every time before boarding. I said, I'm flying alone. Could you check for an empty seat somewhere that I can sit next to? Three out of the four flights, they put me in a seat. I was flying coach, of course, uh, and they put me in a seat with an empty seat next to me. It was fantastic. The staff was great, all the clientele was great. People boarded the plane in a civilized manner. Everyone just sat down until their group was called. I'm telling you, I am sold. If I ever get a chance to fly anywhere on a Japanese airline, that's what I'm doing.
SPEAKER_02:Are you sure you didn't get the preferential treatment because you had the little card on your neck?
SPEAKER_03:No, listen, I'm special, okay? And that's just what the card I'm gonna use. Okay, no, but in all in all seriousness, it was a great experience. And uh, you know, and I also want to mention I stayed in a capsule hotel because, you know, I watch too much YouTube and I'm gonna stay in a capsule hotel because that's what you do. Don't stay in a capsule hotel. Well, asterisk, stay in a capsule hotel if you sleep like the dead, because in the middle of the night, you know, you're obviously gonna be jet lagged. Some drunk salary man comes in who's living his best life. Hats off to you, bro. But, you know, he's obviously pissed. It's two o'clock in the morning. He starts eating, other people are snoring, dropping stuff in the middle of the night. People's alarms are going off because they got to go catch a flight in like an hour. It was a nightmare. It was civilized because, you know, in the bath the bathroom area, it's quite nice. The toilets are, you know, dreamy. But listen, unless you are uh a heavy sleeper, do not try for a capsule hotel, is my advice.
SPEAKER_02:So basically, if I back it up there and you say it was a nightmare, a nightmare actually would have been an upgrade from what you had because you didn't actually get to sleep.
SPEAKER_03:It was terrible. But, anyways, like most things, I've done it, I've checked it off on my to-do list. It was a it was an experience, uh, but you know, hashtag never again. But you had a never again, and thank goodness you went through this because I don't know how I how I would have survived it. But when you showed up in Srinagar, you had reserved a houseboat through booking.com. And what did you see when you arrived on this nightmare of a houseboat?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, well, let me first say that when you shared your tran your travel details with me, I missed the plus two, which meant you were showing up two days after you had left. And I just read the date and I was like, boom, well, I'll show up then. So I added my day on the on the front end, and I got there two days ahead of you. And um and when I got there, I just I was first of all, you you come from the airport, you got about a half an hour ride into town, and then you go and they and the the taxi cab drops you at a dock, and then there's all of these long skinny boats tied up. These are called Shakaras, and they're paddled around or they're motored by you know, two horsepower, whatever, Yamaha. And they paddle me over to the boat, and I get on the boat, and I'm like, I walk in and and I had booked a room with two beds in it, so I could share a room with Aaron, and it had one bed, and I was like, nah, this isn't what I had planned, but we can fix that. And then I was like, dude, I've been traveling for 36 hours. Can I please just use a toilet, maybe have a shower? So I go into the bathroom, there's a curtain as opposed to a door, and then I turn on the water and it's brown and it smells like eggs. It's like out of a well, it smelled really, really bad. I thought it was directly from the river that I was in, which was would have been worse. So the water was brown. I said, Can I get some hot water on a shower? And there were spiders everywhere, it's really nasty in the bathroom. And they said, Oh, hot water, hot water in um when power is back on. And I said, When's the power coming on? They're like, in an hour. And I said, And then how long until hot water? And they said, half an hour. And I was like, What about air conditioning? It was like it was like 85, you know, probably 90% humidity. And I was like, What about air conditioning? They're like, No, no, we don't have power. And I was like, Well, how about internet? He said, We don't have internet, and I was like, I'm just gonna take a nap. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna let me just I'm just gonna just go to the bath go to the go to the toilet first. So I I go into the bathroom and I I come back out and I say, Can I can I get some toilet paper? And the guy goes, Oh yeah. So he goes and he comes back and he hands me a roll of toilet paper that has human feces on the end of the roll. Oh, I'm out of there. That's it. I'm out. I was like, okay, okay, all right, this I booked this, I'm here, you know. And at this point I couldn't remember if I had paid for it or not. And I was like, all right, I'm just gonna, I said, I'm just gonna, maybe it'll be better. I'm just gonna take a short nap and I'll wake up and then I'll be refreshed and I'll have a fresh perspective on things. So I pulled the sheets back and someone had clearly used those sheets before I got there, and I was like, okay, that's it. So I said to the guy, I was like, turn on your phone and hotspot. And he goes, No, I can't do that. And I was like, turn on your phone and hotspot it. Anyway, after I said that a few times and stepped, you know, kept getting a little bit closer to him. Um, there's already like no personal space, but I got really close to him, and I said, Turn on your phone, and he goes, Hotspot now. So then I called our fixer, Urvashi, whom we spoke about in the at the live live at the from the Himalayas, and she put me in touch with a guy who was in actually that group, the bad houseboat, new heritage group of houseboats in Dal Lake, D-A-H-L. Do not ever book new heritage group of houseboats. It used to be called Amina group of houseboats, and um, don't ever do that. Anyway, I got in touch with a guy named Maksud. I was on a conference call, and then this guy says, This is Maksud. And I was like, hello. And he says, I will take you out of the hole and fix this. I was like, cool. So I got back in a shakar, went to the talks to the dock. I had no money either. And I said, I don't have any money. He goes, No problem. Again, as you said earlier, Japan's a very high trust society. This part of India, which is 95% Muslim, super high trust society. And anyway, the end of the story is that I got to this house boat, I got a I got on the on this uh tuk-tuk, and he took me around in the Shakar ride over. No money, no money, no money. I finally got there and they're like, we took care of everything. I got there on the boat, and it was the one you came and joined me on. So two days later, when you got there, we already had some of these major things worked out, i.e., we had a we had we had the nicest houseboat actually in that entire city.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was strange because they have just gone through that terrorist attack. So there was no customers, there was no tourism happening in this whole area. And we should give some travel advice here. This is important. If you're going to Srinagar, uh, this is a military area. It is, especially after the terrorist attacks. Your phone, now I have a very good international roaming phone left over from my old job. And this is the only place where the roaming has not turned on. And I'm talking, I've been to some like little islands in the middle of nowhere. I have been to the Middle East, I've been to you, you name it. I've been there with my phone, it has worked. It did not work there. So that's why you had to ask for the hotspot. So my first bit of advice is be prepared for not having any cell phone signal once you arrive. The next bit of advice is your bank cards probably won't work. And there's nothing worse than getting to a place and not uh and not having cash. So my advice is I would travel with a thousand bucks US. And because it's a high trust society, I was able to walk into a money exchanger. And of course, there's going to be a little bit of they have to make some money, but I'm telling you, they probably made like 10 bucks and they handed me a stack. I'm talking like a like like a stack of cash. And that lasted us quite a while.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I mean, the stack it was about a three-inch stack of cash.
SPEAKER_03:So that's my advice. Be prepared for no cell phone signal. Uh, you can get a SIM card locally in eSIM, but that's going to be a bit of a journey. And don't think that anything is going to work on anything but cash. And my second bit of advice about cash is get small money. So when you stop on the side of the road with your motorbike and you just want to grab, you know, an energy drink or grab some food, make sure that you get small money when you can. And whenever you get small money, just make sure you have, you know, 20 or 100 or 200 rupees in your pocket for buying small things like that.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I just want to name the name of the houseboat, which was really good. And that was the new Jacqueline Heritage Houseboats in Nigin Lake. And that's where we spent time. Um and by the time, by the time actually you uh you got there, we had some things nailed down. And then by the time Chris Job and by the time Chris Watson showed up, we only had they stayed one night, we all stayed one more night. So they came in Thursday. By the time those boys got there, we had it. They they both took a nap because they just came in from uh traveling from the west. And then by the time they got there, we had in this 95% Muslim town that was dry for the most part. You couldn't go, like we went to the nicest restaurant there, and we couldn't get, you know, nothing to drink, right? Because it's Muslim. They don't drink. Um, but there was one liquor store that you found, Aaron.
SPEAKER_13:And by the time, you know, then it was every night we're like, woo-hoo, we got a cocktail cruise, we got a shakar, we're gonna go out and have a sunset cruise and go paddle around the lake and and drink. Fly drones, do all the stuff you're not supposed to do.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. Let's talk about the drones. You cannot have a drone in this military area, they are not messing around. I have never seen so after so after we leave Srinagar, we go off into the mountains uh on the motorcycles. But even in Srinagar, it is a military installation. And we have some videos up on Instagram that shows us getting stopped by, you know, these dubious military guys. But, anyways, I had an experience when I was leaving uh and I did some research. You cannot have a drone. We had drones, but we should not have had drones. And I had my Garmin in Reach satellite communication device, and I was going through security into international departures in Delhi. And one of the guys, you know, asked me, he goes, What is this? And I said, Well, it's just for emergency. He goes, This is a walkie-talkie, isn't it? And gave me the eye. And I'm like, You're right. This is a walkie-talkie. He goes, Don't take this out in the airport until you get home, or it'll be confiscated and you'll be arrested. Do you understand? I go, Yes, sir, I fully understand. And I put him, I put it away. And of course I wouldn't take it out anyways. But there were stories and not just stories, actual media reports of YouTubers and stuff being arrested and deported because they were in the Himalayas area uh with drones and satellite communications devices. So you cannot have them. So don't pack them, don't bring them. It's just not worth it. Nonetheless, we had two drones. Well, yeah, but it's just not worth it, right? And it's not worth the satellite communication device. It's it's it's just not worth it. And you're not gonna go. Let's just let's just let's just describe how you do a Himalayan uh trip. Our suggestion, I think you'll back me up in this, is go with a reputable tour company and go with a tour company that has a fixed uh uh group of fixers that are that are experienced in this area. You don't wanna have to worry, you're not gonna save a dollar by by not having a fixer, by not having a tour company. Just go with the group. You can have a private group, that's fine, but you need the people there who know how to deal with the local customs, who know how to handle safety, security, who knew how know how to deal with police checkpoints, military checkpoints, who know how to have the perm the special permits and visas in place. This is not an area to be trifled with. Uh, but it's rewarding and it's amazing, but just don't try to do it on your own. That's the that's the advice.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and if you think about, I mean, the whole area, like from start to finish, by the time we flew in, other than when we flew back to Delhi, that whole area that we were in is militarily controlled. So, I mean, there was a part where we went by where, like, you know, people like, don't break out the cameras, and no one had it, you know, the people who were checking us didn't understand that the you know, GoPros are running the whole time. You know, turn the light off and GoPros are like, oh, cameras off. But we got pictures of people who were um like the nuclear weapons are rolling out of the side of the mountain, and the other, you know, the mountain on one side of the lake is India, and the mountain on the other side of the lake is China. So, I mean, we're right there on that front line. So most borders between countries are either rivers or bodies of water, or they're mountain ranges. So we were riding the mountain range across all the passes, across the top of the Himalayas, and on in the beginning of it, on one side there was Pakistan, and then as we continued on, the other side was China. So we rode that range.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I've been, you know, to war zones, I've been to zero lines, and I have never, and this is not an understatement, I have never seen so much military equipment over such a vast area in my life, and I probably never will. You would just be riding along and you look into a little, a little uh uh valley, and there is a massive military installation. You look up on a mountain range, and there are two holes in the mountain, clearly for a truck-mounted, you know, missile to be to be wheeled out, uh, and then when it's not being used, it'll be wheeled back in. We passed uh radar installations with active radar spinning. And then a few miles later, it was clearly the air defense system for that radar installation. And it was on and on and on. I have never seen so much military equipment over such a vast area in my life. It was it was really, really amazing. And it was very cool to ride through all that because the riding was awesome, which we'll which we'll start to get to now. Also, it was kind of cool to be uh in the mix with these military operators.
SPEAKER_02:But what's interesting is on our final day when we rode from Hanle back to Leh, where we flew out of back when we then everyone just sort of this the trip ended in Leh. Um, when we flew, we drove back there, we drove past uh an area that was this big open, like a desert area, a big desert basin. And they were building an airstrip in there. So there's tons and tons of money dumping into here. So India's annual military spending for the fiscal year of 25 to 26 is approximately 81.4 billion USD, which represents a nine almost a 10% increase from the previous year. And it makes uh uh militar India one of the top military spenders globally, and it's ranked fourth or fifth. Those numbers are staggering, and there's still only less than two percent of their GDP.
SPEAKER_03:I think we just talked about it off-air, and the conclusion, because we're such military experts, of course. So you can take this as take this to the bank, is that because they're investing in conventional weapons and installations, the amount of money, let's say, the US spends on one nuclear submarine or one aircraft carrier is literally, you know, 20 of those installations. So uh it's a little more in your face and a little more observable and quantifiable, whereas a modern military operation spread across a globe is very hard to say, wow, that's impressive. Well, this was, you know, really, really impressive. But maybe we should just kind of describe the uh our trip. So we hung out in Srinagar for three, four days. We got acclimated. We started taking our diamocks, which we'll get into a second, and then we spent three or four or five days uh riding higher altitudes in through Leh with the end goal of going to Umling La. And uh our base for that final ascent was Hanleh. And then after Hanle, we went back to uh Lei and we flew out of there, which is a military town, to be sure. That airport is a military airport, just getting in and out of there is uh is its own adventure. That was kind of the the 10,000-foot plan that we had, and it went off uh really, really well. We had the uh 450 Himalayan motorcycles, which we beat the crap out of. And I posted some video yesterday of you just to go up the mountain, you're just wide open all the time, or when you're going across the open desert, we spend a couple of days in the open desert and you're just wide open, and the most you can get out of it is like 80, 90 kilometers an hour. But it was really cool to be on a small motorcycle and just flogging it like a Red Hat as a stepchild. It was it was fun. Too much.
SPEAKER_02:I think that's okay. I think I think that'll resonate more with some with it'll re it'll have a bit of a more of a resonation with some than others, shall we say?
SPEAKER_03:Well, we can always edit it, right? So it's all good. Yeah, but no, no, leave it in. The bikes were fun, and the whole the whole time you thought, well, if I dump the bike, I'll just pick it up. So any group you go with, you want to have a minimum of one chase van. And they these guys are insane, like they're they're skilled drivers, but you want to have a van that carries all your equipment. You want a bike with nothing on it. The 450 Himalayan is not exciting for to be sure as a motorcycle, but it gets the job done. It's got that big 21-inch front wheel, you got nothing on it except for some water and uh in a and a little tail bag. Uh, but that's what you want. And you want to have the fixers in place that have handled all the uh all the ins and outs. And if something comes up, they're they're able to uh to handle a shore side.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Um we did so much. I mean, the riding was so again, you put a bunch of you can see on the um on ADV cannibal, you can see a lot of the the footage of what we did. And you just put up a video that was what did you put the one up for 26 minutes you just put up that you edited? Is that up there?
SPEAKER_03:That's just uh it's more of like a music video, uh, but it just gives you uh a broad view of the desert riding to the broken roads with the military trucks weaving it out of it, to the beautiful single lane. You you wouldn't, it'll it'll blow your mind. Single lane roads for miles and miles and days and days of you know, there's no cops anywhere. It's the one of the last bastions of true freedom is that you can spend the whole day going as fast as your adult heart wants to go, and you can drive off the sound of the mountain, and you know, that's your own problem, right? So it's one of the last uh uh places of true freedom on a motorcycle that is inspiring to ride in. The the single-lane roads to the deserts, to you name it, was just amazing, really special.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I was looking at videos, I was just chatting with a friend, and I was like, Um, if you look at that video, it seems like I was after I was just after watching that 26, 30 minute video that you put up. Um, and I was like, was that because in that filming, like you and I rode together. A lot. So look at that, and I was like, is that really me and that you know bright orange helmet? And and I was like, it seems like it was it's just very surreal. The whole thing is super surreal to come back and realize that was only what six, seven weeks ago that we were there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I always try to film with someone in front of me, otherwise, there's no point of reference, right? And you can't miss that helmet, that's for sure. But uh Yeah, thanks. Which, you know, culturally was interesting because if we were going through like Srinagar and you had your bright helmet on and your and your fancy jacket, and you pulled up next to some cars, which you did, you just filtered through everything and just fought your way through traffic. That's just that's just the culture. You're not you're not being a douchebag. You're just you're just going through traffic. When they saw that, they kind of paused and kind of let you through. Like, you know, you had some sort of, well, in Arabic you call it Wasta. You had some sort of status and and they kind of let you through. So I think having the bright helmet and the nice, you know, climb jackets, uh, you know, kind of kind of helped a bit. And there's that whole culture. Maybe you can explain the the horn culture in in Srinagar.
SPEAKER_02:The horn is a whole language of communicating. And and it's so there's there's different types of horn usage. So there's a tutu, which is like, hey, I'm here. Like if you're passing a car, a tutuot could mean, hey, I'm over here. And again, you're passing on the on the right hand side of the car because everyone's driving on the left. And if someone is going to come across you, then you could tutuze and then they would you'd be like, Yeah, it's okay to come here. Um, but if you're passing a car and you tutute and then they continue to come over, then you lean on the horn. You just keep it, you just keep it in. You're it's a steady, it's a steady in. And then they're like, oh, they're not stopping. They're still coming through. And then they move over. So it depends on how you tootle your horn melodiously, you will end up getting a different response from the other drivers because there is a language within that. The use of lights. Remember, the use of lights. What does that mean, Aaron? When you see somebody oncoming when they pop their lights, what does that mean?
SPEAKER_03:That means I am coming through, bro, and you better get out of my way. That means I have full commitment to coming through. So within a few minutes, you're like, flashing the lights usually means go ahead or like cops ahead. No, no, it means I'm coming through, bucko. You better get out of the way. And then you on the motorcycle better get out of the way. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Because on a motorcycle, you are insignificant. And it it seems like there's there's a lot of chaos. But what I, by the time it was over, you know, we're riding down a highway, we're doing well, flat out, whatever these bikes should do, but it got to lower altitude. And I say lower altitude, I mean, you know, still above street line, you know, 14 14.7. We're riding at lower altitudes before you can breathe. And um, you'd ride down the highway and there'd be like, there's a car in front of you, and then there's a car coming on coming, it's you know, one lane in each direction, and then you go, Yeah, it's not a bus, it's not a military truck. There's enough room in there, and there's no Karen's out there. Everyone's just like, Yeah, the traffic just keeps moving. So you split them, you're doing maybe what 70, 60, 70 miles an hour, you're doing what 80, 90 clicks, uh kilometers an hour. And the other car just moves over and no one has a fit. No one, there's no Karen's out there. It's so easy to to to go because everyone realizes that if we just keep moving our cars, even in traffic jams, everyone just keeps moving their car a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. You all get around each other and everybody, it just works. It's up like there's no one standing up and getting out of their car and taking a picture of your license tag and putting it on Facebook and going, uh in the local community, wherever this douchebag is.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And even the military. So I have a bunch of videos of us, you know, going between military trucks on broken dirt roads on switchbacks, and you're just ripping past military trucks. And then they will actually, if it's a single-lane road and it's kind of dangerous, and they know you're behind them because you're just eating dust and you're just eating exhaust, they will signal sometime saying, I think you can probably squeeze past. This is a guy like, you know, with a 50 cal on the roof and like some sort of missile system in the back. And he's like, Yeah, bro, I think you can go by here. Sorry for holding you up, right? And there's a bunch of videos of us, you know, squeezing through, you know, rows and rows of military trucks, whether they're troop carriers or or or radar installations, you name it, and they're just wanting you to go by. They're like, everyone just wants you to get to where you're going. And, you know, you've made it past the military checkpoint. You're one of the good guys. Go have fun and go be an adult. And if you want to, you know, squeeze through here, hey, that's your business because we're not stopping.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It's interesting. When you mentioned that when when when I when we got back, someone sent me something that said, I saw that you I think one of the first videos you posted was me ripping around. I passed one military truck and then around another one, and it was a super tight squeeze. I got between two trucks, which I have to say isn't favorable, but it was my first day out. Give me a break. It was India close. It was India close. You know, if I had had extra paint on that bike, it wouldn't have made it. Um, but somebody just gave me and they said, by the way, you know, it says right here in black and white that you should not pass military convoys because they get upset about it. And I was like, well, not the military convoys. We passed, and we passed. I don't know, we'd pay we passed what? Would you say it's fair to say we passed three, four hundred trucks?
SPEAKER_03:At least, yeah. And uh no one had any issues. As a matter of fact, it's kind of like I think it was that time I was in Finland and I was I was stopped in a in a traffic jam and uh and uh and a cop came up beside me and says, you know, I was reprimanded for for not filtering. He goes, What are you doing sitting here on your motorcycle idling in traffic? You're part of the problem. Just go. So um I think once you get out of you know, Western society uh and people are you know more practical about it, I'm like, just just you know, don't be a douchebag and just go to where you need to go and don't be part of the problem. And it it is it is more dangerous just to sit behind one of these um these big military convoys. And one of the things that I would change is that I would filter my air. I would have some sort of a bandana or something over my mouth every time I went through the off-road sections or the switchback sections, is I suffered a lot uh the whole trip of basically inhaling, you know, road road grime. And I'm no sensitive Sally, but I noticed that, you know, it was rough on my on my respiratory system. Uh so one of the pieces of advice I I would give to people is, you know, try to filter your air when you're when you're driving through those dusty areas.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's a good point. Um, yeah, and if we can upset your delicate sensibilities, you know it's gonna be bad.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I think that uh our our fixers got the point pretty quick when uh all we wanted was no mice in the hotels. I didn't really care about the food. Like I'll I'll eat anything. And all the food was good, by the way. Many times it was very basic, but it was it was great. Just give me uh a piece of whatever kind of local bread there is, which was a journey on onto itself and whatever kind of doll they have or or curry I'm I'm uh happy with. Or in some places, it was very Chinese. So in in through the um areas that bordered China, it was like, you know, fast food from uh from a Chinese restaurant. But anyways, the fixtures finally figured it out that at the end of the day, the only thing we needed was give us a couple of cans of Godfather and somewhere to recharge our phones, and as long as there's no mice in the in the hotels, you know, we're all set. But they were really upset that we were drinking beers and taking Diamox, but you know, we were we were fine. The people who didn't take Diamox had the problems, and maybe you can tell us about the interview we have here with Fajij. Yeah. So first of all, let's say what Diamox is. So do you have the technical background on that? Or it is a prophylactic, it is not a treatment. And I will link an article from the Indiana University uh of Bloomington. And what Fajij says in this interview is wrong. And as a matter of fact, some of our fixers were wrong. It is a prophylactic. It is not for treating the symptoms of AMS, it is to prepare you for it. And the only side effects I had were going pee a lot. And the solution to everything in high altitude is drink more water, anyways. Um, but it simply prepares the body for dealing with high altitude uh sickness, uh AMS, acute mountain sickness. And that's really the best way to describe it. It prepares the body and you continue to take it, follow your doctor's directions, but don't take it when you start to feel sick. It's too late. The only solution, the only remedy for serious AMS is getting down. Uh, once you start to get those uh acute uh symptoms, there is no treatment for acute symptoms except for going to the hospital. Uh, and no one wants to do that in the middle of nowhere because there is no hospital. There's no hospital in Hanley, there's nothing. There's there's goat farmers and maybe a really bad hotel with mice in it. There's no one going to help you. So uh yeah, I will uh I will hand it off to you to talk about the Fajij interview.
SPEAKER_02:But the information that I got before the trip was that we should start taking Diamox at a lower altitude, and that came from our handlers. So they said, start taking it now. It is a prophylactic. And they didn't say they said there are side effects. I remember we read through the list of side effects. We're like, oh my god, there's a possibility of going crazy. And we're like, we're already there, baby.
SPEAKER_13:How bad can it be? More crazy, sign me up. More crazy. There we go. Podcast, more interesting. Right. This will make for great content. Yeah, hold the number two position, baby. Um, we're not number two for nothing.
SPEAKER_02:It'll get there for nothing. Um, so uh Fajish, he is a uh he was our I'll just read here's a bit of a bio on here. So Fajish um Palapat, he's a cafe owner, the founder of Maximus Studios. He's an Indian filmmaker, and he's known for his work in as a director and a producer on projects such as Indian Idol, India's Got Talent, in addition to other Bollywood cinematic accomplishments. So we had the pleasure of having him and Rohit with us for the duration of our trip. And these guys would do like they they'd pop the back end of this tailgate of this little Toyota, and they would do these like rolling shots of us. It was just um it was fantastic. The tons and tons of uh of footage. Um I need to go back and look at those. I haven't looked at that. They gave us that folder. Have you gone back and looked in that folder of the content?
SPEAKER_03:It there probably there's no there was no time because I did the India trip. I came home for 24 hours, then I did the rally, and now I'm home doing media. I'm leaving on Friday to go get the van. There just hasn't been the time. You know, if we could just build a finally build that time machine, we would all be better for it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, just work that out. Okay, before the next contest, please. Yeah, I know you're not busy. Yeah, good. So Fajish, he was um, he's he's he's he is amazingly funny. He is he is so uh positive and so upbeat, and uh he's just fun. He's just fun to be around. And a bit like us, he's a bit nuts. So anyway, I asked him about his battle with the uh AMS acute mountainous sickness over the past few days. In a previous episode, I teed up the fact that he had gotten somebody in our group had gotten it and uh had gotten, had had the effect of um of the altitude. So we can uh roll that short interview. Adventure, endurance, glory.
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SPEAKER_05:So uh I was uh I was very uh well aware of uh AMS uh and I was uh being briefed about how to go about it. Uh and the first point they told me is like take good rest when you land in Ley. Uh but they also told me if you're climbing up to Ley, it should be fine. And they also said Dymox is a tablet which you usually take. That's uh that's uh basically what it does is it thins down your blood, which I didn't know. Uh but uh my doctor said take it only if it is required. And uh even the team said, yeah, if you really feel a dizzy and nauseating effect, then you start taking uh the tablet. Uh what happened to me is I I from Srinagar, we reached Leh and I got pretty excited. We were uh because uh for me also it's the first time in Leh. Yeah, and I always wanted to come here. And what best can happen to be going with these 10 amazing riders across the world? Oh, and uh yeah, so I I didn't take rest. I got into action immediately that night. Yeah, and um we went out for dinner. We reached the evening, somewhere around four or five o'clock, and we started setting up our cameras, our uh gears, and all the clothing, and then we went out for dinner. I had my beer, I ate a lot, a lot more than I usually eat. Yeah, and smoking.
SPEAKER_12:Or are you smoking?
SPEAKER_05:I am a I'm a um I would say I smoke. I smoke my own tobacco uh rolled, I roll my tobacco and smoke.
SPEAKER_02:You roll a filter in there?
SPEAKER_05:Yes, I do. All right, it's not gonna help. So uh you know how it is. So I thought I'm good enough. Uh like I was fine. I did have slight uh breathing problem. I was feeling like okay, I can feel the lack of oxygen. I'll do good. After dinner, we settled everything. We went I went to sleep. I I started getting a mild headache, so I wanted to sleep early. I went off to sleep. By around 2 30, I woke up with a very bad tummy ache. And I rushed to the washroom. Don't mind my word, but I took long dumb and it wasn't stopping. Then I came out of the washroom, I tried to sleep, nothing happening. I started getting enusiating effect. Then I wanted to throw up, rushed back in, threw up a lot, came back, took a dump again, then came back, threw up again. It went on till like 4 30. 5 30, I got a slight break. I didn't want to wake anyone up. No. Seven o'clock, I saw our coordinator Uruishi outside. I told her, dude, I need to go to the hospital. I guess I'm not feeling so good.
SPEAKER_12:Immediately they took me to the hospital. So was there anything else that you did to your body the night before which may have put that along the right path there? Okay. I I hope I'm not going to get into trouble.
SPEAKER_05:There's no trouble happening here. Okay. We have several. So I'm uh I I smoke weed. Uh so I'm from Bombay. I'm uh I'm a sea level boy. Yeah. My pressure level is there.
SPEAKER_13:Yeah, good.
SPEAKER_05:And I smoke weed there. You know, we need to take a break from busy living. Uh so uh weed is something which we smoke in the plains. It keeps your body cooler. Up in the mountains, like places like Leh and Majal, they smoke uh hashish, which is uh crushed uh juice version of the beer. Yeah, it's much more stronger. So that when you smoke hashish, the body warms you up. That's what it does naturally. So this is this is a practice which has been going on for years. So I came down here, I figured out some uh uh through my friends uh one joint of hashish and I smoked that and I had beer. But I'm not really sure if that is the one which actually it's just one of the one it was one of the reasons. So I did a couple of things which I wasn't supposed to do. One, I didn't take a rest. I ate a lot, I had a chilled beer, and uh yeah, I smoked hashish. There you go. The next day was bad. They took me to the hospital, they gave me one hour of oxygen, pure oxygen. Yeah, they gave me an injection, I have no clue what that injection was, and then they asked me to take uh Dymox, one in the morning and one in the evening for the next three days. Uh that pretty much sorted me out, but I was feeling breathless for a very long time, at least for the next three days. Uh I would get tired after a few steps. So, my strong recommendation is like if you if you're reaching Leh, if you're coming to Leh, you need really good rest for at least a day or more. You settle down, then step out of your hotel or wherever you are and start exploring. Do not jump into action the very day you reach. The thing with uh people like us, I would say, is like when this is not work, even though it is work, I'm getting paid for it. It's more uh this is a passion when videography, photography, and biking comes together on top of the mountain, you forget the world. You forget how much your body can take, you forget the logic. So it was a bit of an immature approach from my end. Uh, I learned my lesson the hard way.
SPEAKER_02:And we are back. Yeah, he's a riot. Yeah, he's he's funny. Um, yeah, that was at the uh we're sitting outside the the restaurant the second that we had been back to that restaurant in uh in Leh. That was fun.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Le's uh Ley's a great place. So Leh you could actually do uh you could do a week out of Leh. So you could fly into Leh, which is a really civilized, like kind of you know, Tibet kind of feel place, and you could do day trips out of Leh for a week. It's a great place.
SPEAKER_02:And just a walking distance from where the hotel we sit in, there was like a uh uh a motocross track.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. Yeah, there was like an enduro motocross track built into the side of the side of the mountain, which was which was fun. But I was not gonna take uh take a uh a loner uh royal infield out there and destroy it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, had we had more time, I probably would have just just so you know. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. So let's just talk about what the let's see, it's the Indiana University Bloomington says. Here's what they say for medical advice about uh Diamox. It says, take one 125 milligreen milligram tablet twice a day, begin this medicine 24 hours before arriving at high altitude and continue for 48 hours while at high altitude. You may continue taking Diamox up to 48 hours longer if your symptoms indicate that you need for additional pills. So, in the interview, many people say they take Diamox if you show symptoms, and that is not necessarily my advice. Um, it is a prophylactic, it is not a treatment. So the point is that you and I took it, I we started taking it three or four days before we went up. And then the night that you flew out, and I was gonna fly, actually, we both flew out of lay. And then the night before that, we had been at 19,024 feet. We had done the high day, and then that night I was like, okay, I'm tired of peeing. Every time I look at a glass of water, I'm not gonna do that anymore. And I stopped taking it. And I remember that night, you had your bag open. I had my bags like ready to go. You left at 3 a.m. I left at 6 a.m. And I got up at night and I couldn't breathe. And I had stopped taking that pill before, and I went and I got it out of, I was I looked in your bag because your bag was open and I took a diamox out of your bag. I owe you one. And um, and I chewed it up, and I, you know, I was just like gobble, gobble, gobble, and I got it into my system as quickly as I could. There are quicker ways I know, but I just shoot it. And um, within 15 minutes, I was feeling better. I but I felt the pressure on me. But I just keep taking it the whole time. And but we took one tablet. We didn't take two tablets a day.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we took one until we got above 14,000 feet, and then I started taking two. The only mistake that I made is that uh I wasn't eating breakfast. So I'm on Ozempic, I'm on the fat shot, and I just don't eat breakfast anymore. One day, one of the passes was like a 14,000, 15,000 foot pass. I was feeling a little lightheaded, I wasn't feeling myself. I got down out of the altitude pretty quick, and then I had realized that I hadn't eaten anything all day. So my advice is go have some breakfast. There's breakfast at every hotel. Even if you just get a uh a piece of whatever local bread there is in some doll or something, just eat something. Uh, that's the only mistake that I made.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and then once you started doing that, then you know it was uh happy days.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we would even, because we had the support truck, we would even ride for a few hours, and there's always a pass in the middle of the day. We would stop and have uh coffee, and I would always grab a protein bar out of the van with my coffee. And I always made sure, no matter how much I wasn't hungry, that I would shove some food in my pie hole just so I was prepared for the higher altitude, and of course, drink lots of water and minimize the amount of beer the night before. But after I started eating properly, I had no issues at all, except for going pee. But it is not to be trifled with. If indeed you're going that high, get some doctor's advice, eat correctly, drink lots of water.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and when we say drink lots of water, like you know, it's always like, oh, you should drink this many, you know, cups of water a day, whatever it is. I've never done that my whole life. I'm alive. Um, but when we were up there, I drank probably two gallons of water a day at least.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and it still wasn't enough. So I, of course, didn't have any sunscreen, and there is no atmosphere that high. So you need the water intake to keep your lips from destroying themselves. So wear some sunscreen on your nose and on your lips because it's it's coming in through the helmet. And my lips were so badly chapped. I remember waking up on the airplane from my my last flight from Japan to uh I don't know where I went to from, Japan to North America. And I woke up and it was blood running down my beard uh because my lips were so badly destroyed from not drinking enough water and not having enough sunscreen. So sunscreen, drink lots of water. Not a good look. No, it was dead sex. Yeah, I had to beat the women off me. You know, I was very manly and very uh very strong and powerful. And obviously, you know, I was uh immensely masculine having the blood dripping down my face. But anyways, lesson learned. It looked like a like a true Viking. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um one more one more interesting thing happened, and we'll touch a bit some at the end of the podcast, we'll touch a bit on some of the other little finer nuance and detail things like you just mentioned about um covering, about uh making sure you have dust control, things like that. But one interesting thing happened is that a friend of mine, so several people dropped out of this um out of this event, and our commitment was to the organizers to have a certain number of people in. So every time somebody dropped out, we asked somebody else to come in. We had people who were interested. And I reached out and I just had a contact with a buddy of mine that I met when I was in my early 20s um near Washington, D.C. And I said, Hey, Carrie, are you interested in doing this trip? Are you still riding? He said, Yeah, I just got back from doing a trip on the West Coast, and I said, Do you want to go to India? And he got back to me two days later and he said, There's there's really no way I I can say no to this. And so he went. And he was a rock star. And he was he was one of the boys from the moment he showed up to the moment he left until everyone left and he couldn't leave because he He lost his passport. No, yeah. He had his passport in a in a uh a pocket that wasn't zipped, and uh it was on the road somewhere on our last day, and that last day we covered a huge that was our biggest travel day. So it was a a long time before. He looked at his last photo he had taken. It was a long time before. So anyway, he um I won't go into any more of that story. I'll just uh I'll let him take it and we will roll the interview. Carrie Moore, welcome to Adventure Cannibal Podcast. Nice to have you.
SPEAKER_09:Hey, Taylor, good to hear from you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, man. We are uh where are you sitting right now? I am in my little home office in Arlington, Virginia. Very nice. I am sitting in Stockholm. Hmm. So one of the reasons I wanted to chat with you today is that um, you know, you did do this India trip with us. And um, at the outset, I just want to say like our commitment, we'd have a certain number of people stay in the group. And we had a very late cancellation, and you and I just happened to have a chat, and I was like, Carrie rides. I'm just gonna ask Carrie if he wants to take that spot. It was all within a matter of minutes. And I was like, Carrie, you still ride and you were like, Yup. And I said, and I gave you some details on this. I said, Are you interested in doing this trip? And you said, I said, uh, yeah. Fantastic. Well, it was really nice to have you on the trip. So there's some um there's a particular reason that I wanted to chat with you about this, and um, we'll we'll eventually get there. But initially I wanted to ask you when I when I sent that message to you, I know you had done a you had done a trip um down A1A in California and you had done a trip, uh, a few other bike trips, but how much like had you done a bunch of riding or had you done very little riding in in since since um in the past eight, 10 years?
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I would say very little riding, almost like zero. I ride bikes, obviously. I have um I rode my bicycle, God, since I was, you know, itty bitty. So I've been riding bikes for a long time, but yeah, the last time I had a motorcycle regularly was when I was about 20 years old in college. And yeah, and then you're right. I just rented a big 950 rode down the the uh Pacific Coast Highway. And then ahead of this trip, I did also rent a uh a Himalaya 450. Somebody had one on uh the rider's share, and I did rent that for yeah, two weekends. So a lot of it was a good thing too, because we we were on the bike for what 250 kilometers, 280 kilometers in one day. Yeah, one day was 270.
SPEAKER_02:The last day was 270, it was a big day.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, yeah. So I mean, fortunately for me, it was all roads. I had a little bit of off-road, but just a little bit.
SPEAKER_02:It's interesting you talk about mileage. Um, when I got back from this trip, and whenever I end up talking about it, which is yeah, it's super exciting, I still talk about it. Um, and people quite often they say, So how many bikes were there? How many kilometers did you ride? And of those kilometers, were there any mishaps? Then I say, Well, it was it was a 1500 kilometers, just over 900 miles, which you know, per cannibal standard is nothing. These boys were knocking out 750 miles in a day. So essentially, we, you know, we did these twisty-windy off-road sections um for the most part. They were twisty-windy off-roads, uh, and yeah, and on-road, but definitely roads in India, period. So not comparable to riding slab in the US. Um, so I say, yes, we did have a couple of mishaps. And I know that there was one circumstance where someone in front of you dropped a bike. And who was that? Uh that might have been you, Taylor. Oh, right. Yes, that that was me. Right. So I I Chris, one of the Chris's stopped in front of me. He got a nice op. I was just following too closely, and then I got on the brake, and then I I uh I I lowsided and washed out and tumbled away. We were going. So I like to display that people say, What was the scenario you were riding? And I was like, Well, you know, there's switchbacks down the side of a mountain, and there's always not always, but quite often there's a road that just goes straight down the mountain and crosses all the switchbacks, and they go, Well, who would go on that? And I go, Well, that's what we were on. So it was straight down the hill, extremely steep grade. And then maybe I'll hand it over to you.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah. So I'm sitting there from obviously I'm up the hill from you. We, we, uh, we took turns going down. Obviously, the the lesson is, you know, you want to make sure that there's at least enough distance in front of the person so that, you know, that's not hindering your riding, but then also you're not going to uh cause any issues on them. So I was hanging back, obviously, and um you see this big puff of smoke, uh, dust actually. And and uh and yeah, so then I'm coming across down that hill and I look and there's Taylor like you know on the on the ground. And so it was sort of like a big U, you know, basically there was a there's a high pots on high high sides on both both uh sides of this, I guess you could say, just trail going down the yeah, the hillside. And so obviously it was very loose. I was riding up on the left-hand side uh to avoid you and off also not crash. And I sort of ran um into the back, not run into, but I I I went as far as I could without hitting them up to Chris and Aaron. And uh and and so then the recovery crew came and got you, helped you get all situated back on your bike. But yeah, the way they had your bike oriented was pointing towards where I was. So yeah, and and then what happened? So so um Aaron, obviously, look uh because he's looking out for you, said, Hey, uh Carrie, can you come up? Come you come up. And so I couldn't go past Chris or Aaron because they're like right in front of me. So I put my handlebars to the to just turn around them to the right and then put it, you know, in gear and and took off. And as soon as I did that, the hill and the sand just took my front wheel and and cast it down into the ditch. And then it started to go up the other side, and of course, the bike fell over to my left. So as I'm jumping off the bike, it kind of like um the yeah, the the tank caught my heel.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah, lucky you had some good boots on. I know that was that we talked about getting boots. You're like, what do I really need for gear? And I was like, you need to get some good riding boots. So well done. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_09:No, that's good. It was more than I wanted to spend, but obviously it was a very, very smart purchase. Yeah, no, no, no injuries at all. That was a good thing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's fantastic. Um, so during the uh beyond that, um, and for those who are listening in the description here, I guess but there's a video as well, which um I don't I think I think I think out of respect for you not necessarily, you know, casting the putting that information anywhere out there, we um but basically you got sideways on the hill and then high-sided down the hill. So is what happened. But um anyway, I'm glad you're okay from that one. And and in motorcycle parlance, right? Exactly. That happens, yeah. Um so during the trip you had an issue with a government-issued document. Can you maybe talk about what that document was and and what happened from there?
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, so I'll give a little lead up to that as well, because um, you know, we're traveling through a military-controlled area. The Himalayas, they have military checkpoints all over the place. So you had to keep your passport on you in a in a flexible place. I mean, uh a convenient place that you could retrieve it. So for the whole ride, basically, I had my passport in my right hand pocket, um, basically to zip up everything and my wallet and my everything's were in my left pocket. Yeah. So on the last day, Google Maps didn't go through. So I would usually have my phone in the holder on the handlebars just so I could like watch the um the maps go by. And this particular one, the map wasn't good because Google Maps didn't carry the road through. It was basically either like closed or not on the chart or whatever. It just didn't appear.
SPEAKER_13:Yeah.
SPEAKER_09:So basically it was worthless. So I could put the phone in my pocket. And so I now have my phone and my passport in the same pocket. Uh oh. So on the yeah. So um, so that's why I didn't have my passport, like, you know, in a nice, cozy place with the luggage or anywhere else. Um, yeah. So um we also made stops. And so um, this is sort of a funny story. My sons had introduced me to this um Instagram account. It's called Scenic Peas, right? So this guy takes pictures of him, like you know, the what he's looking at while he's taking a pea. Scenic peas. Okay, scenic peas, as in urination. Yes, exactly. Yes. And so um we're staying, there's this really beautiful river side, and we're just like in the middle of nowhere, and it's really beautiful. There's like a mountain on the other side that rises up, and it's two like uh a confluence of two sort of separation creeks around this one little island. And I look at it and I'm like, wow, that's really cool. This is like a real scenic pea. And then I was like, oh, I can go back and get my my portable camera, which would I've been using the whole trip. I'm like, oh, but I have my phone right here in my pocket. Right. So I take my phone out of a pocket and take a picture of my scenic pea location. I guess at that point um is where my passport must have um vacated my pocket. So I guess the long story short here, I think it's interesting, but the long story short here was that I lost my passport at that location. While peeing. While peeing. Well, post-peeing, but yes.
SPEAKER_02:All right. So I'm gonna do some rapid fire questions here, and you let me know if you have the answer. So, how many days did you, since you lost your passport and you couldn't get the exit visa, how many days were you stuck in Delhi?
SPEAKER_09:I was stuck in Delhi from Monday, basically Sunday night, to uh to Friday afternoon.
SPEAKER_02:So five days. And how much money did you spend in Delhi since you didn't fly out on your initially planned departure?
SPEAKER_09:Roughly$1,500. So that includes like the meals and the duck-tucks and all sorts of things. The hotel was probably the biggest expense. That's because you were hanging out with Aaron. Just that one night, right? So that uh the first night when we flow into Delhi, um, Aaron suggested we stay at the Imperial, which I did and you know, joined the two Chris's there as well. We had a nice, um, beautiful meal. One of the Chris's wives had shown up there too. Um, beautiful meal, good drinks, everything, great time. The hotel is fabulous. If anybody is ever goes to Delhi, I would highly recommend the Imperial. It's from like the British days, it's just one of the most beautiful hotels I've ever stayed in.
SPEAKER_02:Um, Aaron said that uh he said he has to credit that phenomenal night out as a result of you losing your passport. So he gives you full credit for that night to know.
SPEAKER_09:That's great. Yeah. Yeah. No. And I think I mean, just another part of the interesting story, though, is when you don't have a passport, you were in a military-controlled area. So we were in lay, right? And we had to get on a plane to get into Delhi so I could get to the embassy the next day. So I was seriously scared that they would not let me on the plane out of lay to get to Delhi. Because all and so fortunately, we had uh uh one of the other riders was with us who was Indian, and he was basically the two military people were there. They asked questions. I had a uh print of my passport, I had a print of my visa, and I had a driver's license. And they asked a couple questions, and then they were like back and forth between the two military people, and then they said, uh, yeah, okay. Wow. Because I I could see him negotiating with the younger uh soldier, basically suggesting that if I didn't get on that plane, I wasn't going to be able to get to the embassy. I I would have been stuck, I wouldn't know what to do. So I think they took pity on me and let me in.
SPEAKER_02:And it's good that you did because another one of our riders stayed there and he went back into lay a couple days later, and it had all hell had broken loose with civil unrest within India, and it was around the um political parties, basically. So it wasn't like challenges with uh Pakistan or with China, it was skirmishes within their the own government. So the town that we were in was basically, I mean, there was there was bombing, there were police shot five people, four died. Um, the entire place was shut down and cordoned off and and um and roadblocked everywhere. So we got out, and you did as well, just in time. Yeah, very true. A couple more quick questions. Yeah. Um, how many times did you go when you were in Delhi? How many times did you go to the immigration bureau?
SPEAKER_09:Um, I went every morning. So I guess to get your um emergency passport, it was about three hours. So they had some issue with the printing. Um, those of you who don't really read all the um uh instructions, like I didn't, your your your passport photo has to be two by two. Um, I went into one of the photographers there and they gave me something that was just barely over like an inch by inch. So so it was it was it was a little troublesome for them to work with, but they did fix it. They did give me the emergency passport. It took me about three hours for them to do it. Um at that point, you then have to fill out basically a new visa application.
SPEAKER_02:You kept coming back and then they just kept saying not to, you know, not today. And then on Thursday, I had a chat with you. I think we actually spoke on the phone or and you said they told me I should probably plan on being here over the weekend. And I said, You need to get a fixer. You finally did. How long after you contacted the right fixer? And the fixer made the phone call, how long until you got permission and stamped and ready to go?
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, it took probably about like three hours. Yeah, then you yeah, you caught back and you're like, I'm on the next flight out. Yeah, literally, there was one it left at 11:30 American Airlines out of Delhi, and I was on that plane.
SPEAKER_02:Fantastic. So if you think back about this trip, now those were challenging days. I know when we talked about it, you're like, I said, I want to talk to you in the podcast. You're like, Taylor, I don't know that I want to relive that. It's been a while. We've been back a couple of months now. It doesn't seem like that long, does it? Um, but it's been, you know, it's been a while. So if you think back about that and when you reflect back upon the trip, what are your what are your memories? What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_09:Oh yeah, I don't really think about that time in Delhi at all. You know, I think about the Imperial, that was a great moment with uh, you know, the fellas. And but otherwise, yeah, it was just the epic riding. I mean, the the the tour itself was just so well put together. I think, you know, there's like um everything was taken care of, everything was thought through. All the hotels were were perfect for where they were at. Um the food was always good, uh, the logistics were all well taken care of. Um, you know, of course, the mechanics didn't maybe necessarily have all the parts that you needed, but um, you know, it did uh I was super impressed. And the scenery is just insane. And it was all that different riding too. You go from like an urban, like where you don't even have traffic lights and everybody's crisscrossing, like intermingling as everything with uh any you know, breathing that's on those roads, too. Cows, horses, dogs, donkeys, um, you know, basically anything can walk or is on those roads. Uh, kids, yeah, four or five kids, and entire family's on scooters. On one scooter. You know, they got the little kid on the front, the dad, another kid in the middle, one sitting on the mom's lap who's sitting sideways on the scooter, and they're just riding like it's uh a normal day. Those are the things that I remember. I mean, I remember just like all the switchback roads. I remember a few of the passes, like some of I remember that tunnel that we rode through like on the first day. I mean, just the scenery was fantastic. And I think also because you were kind of like the main link, everybody got along. Super surprising, right? You know, we we were all just one degree of separation of Taylor, and everybody clicked. Everybody, you know, there was we were joking with each other like from the very first day. So I think, you know, it it was a it was a fantastic trip in all those ways.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, thanks for that. Nice reflection. Um, well, I'm really happy to have had you on that trip. It was nice to um to rekindle the friendship with you after so many years, and um, it was really great to uh to get a chance to to ride with you. So thanks for coming.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, no, it was a great time. Really appreciate you asking me, and I'm so glad that uh I could say yes.
SPEAKER_03:And we are back. Yeah, that's great to hear his insight. And people always think that when you lose your passport, that's the full problem. The full problem when you're other places is you need the visa. So it was great to hear about that journey of him getting his visa put back in his passport. And I also wanted to mention that when I heard that Carrie was coming to Delhi, I had kind of taken over the situation and I had arranged for a great big party, which you you weren't at. Sorry you missed out on that one. It was at the Imperial Hotel, and the two Carries came and uh not two carries, the two Chris's came. Chris's Carrie and one of the Chris's uh wife came and we had a great big blowout party at the Imperial Hotel in uh in a private bar, and uh, and that was really fantastic. So we had a we had a great time. Carrie had a nightmare, but uh we we had a great time with Carrie anyways.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but he had a nightmare in terms of like he had issues about potentially you know the nervousness about the fact that he wasn't sure what he was gonna leave India. And um it was a good excuse for a party, Aaron. And I know that quite often you don't need an excuse.
SPEAKER_03:That's right, man. I'm gonna make an excuse for a party, but that is one of my favorite hotels, the Imperial. It's the last uh uh last remnants of the uh the British colonial movement in uh movements not fair, but you know, disaster that that was. But uh it was uh it was uh fun to dip your toe into that kind of culture. And I also wanted to mention when I was in Delhi, um I stopped and talked for the whole day with the people from the Royal Mavericks. The Royal Mavericks is the only Royal Infield endorsed motorcycle club in Delhi. And they spent the whole day with me. And I'm I got some audio from that. And we're gonna give them a full episode, but I wanted to include some of that uh here in that episode.
SPEAKER_02:So when you when you stopped there, you met with Tariq, and he's the founder and president of the Royal Mavericks, and it's a Royal Enfield Motorcycle Club. And to be clear, we were on Royal Enfield Motorcycles when we actually did the trip. So that's the way the clip where he introduces his club, which I think he does a great job there. Let's roll that clip.
SPEAKER_01:It's been a very long journey. It was somewhere around in 2012 when I shifted from Mumbai to Delhi and I bought a Royal Field motorcycle. It was a very unique color which caught my fancy. It was a Desert Storm 500, and uh I started riding. And that time there was not much seen of motorcycling and clubs in India. I ventured out with some groups, and I found that uh there is a lot more which needs to be done when you take responsibility for making 40-50 bikes, you know, ride with you, then there is a lot more than just one you need to do. You have to be a little more sensitive towards things. So initially it started with just a thought, and uh we have done rides with 300 plus rolling fields on a breakfast ride, and uh. We are the only group in India which is recognized by the government of India, which is recognized by Rollin Field as a company. They have uh hosted uh they have published uh an article for us. We are the only group in India with whom BBC has done a documentary, we are the only group in India with whom Discovery has done a shoot, Discovery Channel. And we are the only group in India which has made company-fitted silencer compulsory because of the noise pollution. It's getting crazy these days in India because of these aftermarkets exhaust.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and then Tariq told me about some of their rides, which include really massive events. He does it for some of India's mandatory holidays. They do some great distinguished gentleman rides, and uh, I got some audio here about their next big overland trip, and it was very much similar to the one that we just finished. So let's go ahead and roll that audio.
SPEAKER_01:So every year we do a long-distance ride, which generally happens close to the Shara holidays, and it's generally a 10 to 12 days trip. In the past, we have done Mustang twice, we have done Bhutan, we have done Leh multiple times, we have done Spiti multiple times. We had plans of Vietnam this year, but somehow the team members we take a collective decision. They wanted to explore northeast. So, as while I'm recording and uh my bags are ready, my motorcycle is about to be reaching Gohati in as a matter of time while we speak. So, after two days, we are all we all are flying to Gohati. It's a group of around 10-15 bikes. I'm really looking forward. That's a territory which uh this group, Royal Mavericks, have never explored before, and uh the kind of uh intel we are getting from there from the other bikers. We are connected with all the biking groups in India and uh going to be breathtaking, and I'm really looking forward to it. In fact, everybody who is coming to on this trip is look really looking forward to it.
SPEAKER_02:So, on the back end of that, I just want to say that the distinguished gentleman's ride, is that something you think maybe you and I would get invited to?
SPEAKER_03:I I don't think we're allowed near anything that is either distinguished or gentlemanly like. I think uh I think I will uh I will bow out gracefully of being invited to one of those.
SPEAKER_02:Well, fair enough. So there's a bunch of people in India, so it's easy to get lost both literally and figuratively. I've always believed that the clubs and rallies can give many of us a little bit of a purpose, a direction, and a human connection. So when you were there, you asked Tariq if it's been a meaningful impact on the members' lives.
SPEAKER_01:Aaron, you have touched upon such a sensitive topic which is very close to my heart. It is a long journey that I have done, and uh I've seen people coming alone. I have seen coming them and introducing their partner as a colleague or as a friend. Then I have seen them coming as an engaged couple, then I've seen them coming on breakfast rides as a married couple, then I have seen them coming with a small toddler. It's a big journey I've been through, and I think it's just because of the Royal Infield. And yes, there are so many stories. I don't have one, but yes, there are so many stories that people have met the love of their life because of Royal Infield. And I'm sorry, I I somehow, like you know, I got a bit emotional, and I this is a long journey which I've seen happening within the group, and I'm pretty sure it must be happening in every group. And yes, there have been stories that people have found their love because of Royal Infield.
SPEAKER_03:And I had the opportunity to talk to one of the members, uh, a young lady, she's a school teacher. Uh, she's got a great last name. Her last name is Warmin. How awesome is that! And she rides this for India, a ridiculously big motorcycle. She has a 500cc Royal Infield, and this is, I think it's the largest bike that uh Royal Infield makes. And it's it's kind of comical when she brings it in for service. Uh, they're like, this isn't your bike, right? Anyways, let me roll that audio from that chat with uh Miss Warman.
SPEAKER_00:A few years ago, if I remember, it's uh it was my first year when I started to be on a two-wheels. So I learned, and uh I came across this chromos like Royal Mavericks, everything sparkled like the about the group, about the people, everything. So there was a ride happening, and I said, I'll go. And I didn't have any writing gears, and uh I was just I just started to write. And I said, Okay, let me go. And I went there, this whole group was there at the assembly point. Uh, I was waddling because I was new, and uh one of the group members, the team members came in and they saw that okay, there's somebody who needs help, and they helped me pull the bike and everything. That very first um experience, I would say, with the group has been so warm that uh I I had continued something in there. They welcomed me with big hearts and big hugs. Uh, we'd had an introduction at uh our point where we went and uh had a breakfast. So uh we had that introduction session, and it just uh took me to his right that hey, this is a group that I want to be part with, like I want to be inclusive of this group that uh the way they it's like a family. I mean, that's how they treat everybody in that same group. And Tariq on the very first day, that was my first day of ride with them, and he said, I'm done with numbers now. I am with a group who is very closely knit, uh, who takes care of each other, and it's all about brotherhood.
SPEAKER_03:And finally, I talked to Vidushi, and she rides a 450 Himalayan, and I asked her what was her introduction into the Royal Infield Club, the Royal Mavericks.
SPEAKER_04:I took a long break from riding, and this was when I got back to riding, it was thanks to the Royal Mavericks. I was not going through a very great phase in life, and I wanted to get back to riding, and I found the Royal Mavericks for uh similar reasons as you were sharing before. That I read about them online and I liked that they followed a certain, you know, certain rules, and they, you know, they were gentlemen riders, and I liked all of that. And I started, um, I showed up for one of their rides, bought myself a motorcycle, and then showed up for one of their rides. And the thing is that from day one, neither did anyone say, Oh, you can't do it, oh come on, let me help you. The from day one, they just accepted me like that in their fold, and they said, Okay, you had a fault, pick up your own motorcycle. Okay, you don't know this, learn it on your own. At the same time, we are here, we are here, and you need anything, we are right here. So, as a as a rule, we we leave no one behind. So, man, woman, no one. So, no man left behind. They're always there, we always ride as a pack, but they give you that confidence that you can do this on your own. And uh, like you said, yes, that is a very special story. So, there is a lot of encouragement when it comes to new riders. I have never ever seen anyone, you know, mock someone because they've just started riding, especially women riding, because that tends to be the easiest statement to make. Oh, she's a woman driver, oh she's a woman rider. On the contrary, we have done some of the toughest terrains, toughest off-roads. Some of them are more difficult to do, but never once has anyone told me, Oh, you can't do this, or you can't do this terrain, or you will not be able to ride here or drive here. They've only been they just throw the key and say, Okay, go ahead, figure it out. So, yes, that kind of confidence, um, they have always shown to not just me, but every new rider who walks into the group.
SPEAKER_03:And in this final clip, I wanted to ask her what it meant to her to be a member of the Royal Mavericks Club.
SPEAKER_04:I don't I don't know exactly how to describe my relationship with the Royal Mavericks, but I think they are uh more than family to me. Everyone who's now the core group, like all of us, are very, very close, very, very thick. And how it all started was because of our Royal Enfields, because that is what we all ride. So yeah, I think uh it's family, it's brotherhood, it's camaraderie, it's all of that put together and the love of being on two wheels and off-roading together. So, yeah, in short.
SPEAKER_03:And I just wanted to say thanks to Tariq and all the members of the Royal Mavericks for spending the day with me. I had to go back to the hotel and meet the rest of our group that evening. And I was only awake for a couple of hours, but I crashed out pretty hard. But uh I want to say thank you very much uh to the Royal Mavericks for hosting me in Delhi.
SPEAKER_02:That was great. Yeah, it's nice. It's really nice. It's a win-win, right? You get to meet people, you get to travel around, and this podcast gives us the opportunity to really have an excuse to ask questions about people's lives. So it's really it's a it's a wonderful thing to do.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I'm looking forward to see where it takes us in the future.
SPEAKER_02:Dear listeners, so this little number two podcast has never asked you for anything, but today we have a request. If we are ever gonna make it to number one, this is one of the ways we're gonna get there. So here's a request. Please forward this podcast to someone you think might enjoy it, or at a minimum, someone who enjoys IPA as much as we do.
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely. Um, and if you can do it, leave a five-star review on any platform that would help us out. And maybe one day we'll get a number one award. Um, I also wanted to mention that looking at trips in the future, uh, Japan like kind of really made an impact on me. And there will be a cannonball in uh sorry, in Japan. There will be maybe scouting tours. I'm using air quotes, dear listener. Uh so there'll be stuff in the future with Japan for sure. And uh Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, that is on my radar. It may not happen in the next few years, but it is definitely on my radar. And I hope you all come on that journey with us.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so true. So true. Um, yeah, we've got a few things uh in the works. There's one more thing I see here. There's a note. When I actually had a moment to sit down in India and actually compose something, this might just kind of wrap up the um the part about the the India aspect of it, unless you want to drop in a bit more. But here's my post that I wrote. Srinagar. Like most places like most places in India, one can always count on an overwhelming level of sensory input, colors, flavors, smells, chaotic traffic, to the end the genuine kindness of people. There's an amazing difference between the busy city center and the tranquility on the west side of Nigguin of Niggin Lake. Again, away from all the chaos. The new Jacqueline Heritage Houseboat is charming, ornate, clean, and comfortable. So it really boils down to the idea that make sure you follow the advice. By the way, this houseboat was ad was recommended for us to have booked by our fixer in the beginning. And I was like, I'm gonna go. That's West like that's super expensive. It indeed was the most expensive houseboat on the lake, but because we didn't pay booking.com and we didn't pay for whatever their commission space were, we paid cash. There's all kinds of benefits that we got. So it was significantly lower in price, but just go with the recommendations. Don't try to be smarter. I did it and I, you know, I had to fix it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, for sure. Um, anytime I go anywhere, I always just it's like going to a great restaurant. Whatever's on the tasting menu, just do it. If you're going to a restaurant with someone you've never been to, just let them order. If you're going to whatever place, go to the hotel that is that is recommended. And uh it usually pans out really well. Um, can I get to some uh cannonball news?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, man, let's roll. Hey, before we jump on cannibal news, it just reminded me when we were in LA, when the night that, or maybe the night before we left, um, yeah, I think it was the night before we left, we went to the sushi bar, and in it was perfect. It's exactly what you said. And there was like, you could have trust me menu one, trust me menu two, or trust me menu three.
SPEAKER_13:And it was just the difference was price, and they were like, Yeah, I just trust you, Bring it. It's exactly what you said. We did that, it was great.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, always do the tasting menu. Um, I want to mention in 2026, I'm only making a few improvements to the scoring app and the public leaderboard. So all that really, really worked out well. I got some feedback from some uh contestants, contestants, some competitors and some podcast listeners. So we'll try to do a daily podcast during the rallies. So look for that. It'll be a bit debaucherous, it'll be a bit raw and unedited, but people like the field notes. So we're gonna try to do a podcast at the end of every single day before we have too many IPAs. And important news for 2026 competitors, if anyone's listening at this point, is don't book any hotels on your own. Firstly, there's a few minor changes due to some events that are happening in these towns. And also don't book without the group codes because you're going to pay full price. So please don't book anything. So, you know, end of November, December 1st, if you don't have group links by then, reach out to me via the email or on the website.
SPEAKER_02:You should have it by then. I wanted to say um for the podcast, so so many people come back like every single day during this rally. Basically, everyone participating had a great story to tell. But if you are have a great story to tell for your day or something you want to share, or something, some some camaraderie or some kind of friendly competition that happened, um, come over and find me or find Aaron at the end and then tell your story. And you too will be on this amazing number two podcast.
SPEAKER_03:Number two podcast. And speaking of number two, maybe of stories, uh, we just got the links to the private preview of Robert's movie. And I need to have a bunch of IPAs before I watch that because you know I'm a weirdo. But uh I I I'm excited and nervous to see that movie. But, anyways, let's go to uh new sign-up. So uh we have some newcomers. We have Brian. Brian is from California and he's on a 1300 GSA. Welcome to the rally. Uh number six from 2025, Sean Ross from Flat Rock, North Carolina. He is back and he is bringing uh he he's threatening to bring an 890 rally, but I think he'll he'll default back to the 1250 GSA. That would be my recommendation, unless he wants to really blast through the the off-road sections. And he has requested number 33, and that has been assigned. Kevin, Kevin is from Utah, and he's not sure what bike he's bringish, uh bringing, but he just finished the scooter cannonball. So welcome to the uh to the ADV cannonball. And lastly, we have Nick. Nick is from Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Great place, and he is on a Ducati Desert X. Welcome to the newcomers.
SPEAKER_02:And to the newcomers, I want to say to uh to Brian Honeycutt who is on the 1300 GSA. Shout out to you, Mark. Just to be clear, this one's not totaled.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so Mark's uh number 12 from 2025. He he got into an accident. Not accident, he he dropped his bike, and surprisingly, he brought it into the dealership and it's a write-off. So um, anyways, there uh we're not sure if he'll he'll fix that up or he'll get a brand new one. I'm not sure, but um he is uh he's a tough cookie. We call him Iron Man, so uh interesting stories uh every year.
SPEAKER_02:There's been some some chat in the uh in in the group chat, like hmm, maybe I'll buy that one. Maybe I'll maybe I'll buy your I'll trade you this for that, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there's some friendly, friendly prodding uh to be sure.
SPEAKER_02:I'll trade you my DR650 for the uh for the for the Red 1300. Yeah, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, listen, I think that's it. Uh let's roll some music and roll the outro.
SPEAKER_10:Second prize, a set of state maps.
SPEAKER_11:Engines roar the morning days, right as I know the room day from Plymouth Rock to Western Flame. No bagging down a test to play. Stealing smoke in the rising sun, not the beast, the chosen ones Backrooms, mud and mountain cuts, rise for glory, not for luck. Firm unchilled a smoky spine, no comfort zones, no cash prize Throttle wide hearts full of fire, gas and grid, we never tire We ride through hell and rain, through dust and blood, casting all day, late takes white the mouths don't lie, only the stones survive the ride. No weeds lower below the skies open, low and battle dries, can all rally across the land, switch the throttle take off, and dirty Colorado frost, Kansas wind trying to knock us off. Use a red rocky like rage. Every mile another stage. Sleep winter, not today. Riding wild through burning blaze. Cut past the cold and stone. Every ride a ride zone. Death belly heat, bites like sand, but we don't quit, we dig back in. Thousand yards, scares, blood-shot eyes.
unknown:Run through the road for mile to mile, through hell to find, we ride with style.
SPEAKER_11:We ride through hell in the rain, through dust and bloody, can all pain, eight days why the mouth don't lie. Only the stones survive the ride. No wings don't burst in no disguise. Open load and battle price. Can it go rally across the land? Twist the throttle, take your step. Bakers feel some monarchy. Engine scream at break of day. Octane and steal the finish line. Riders forged and grit inside. To those still rollin' and those gone dead. Riders bown in dust and mud. Catin ball cheeks, we ride in blood. We rotate through dust and race through dust and blood. Only the stones survived the ride. No easy, no we think.
unknown:We ride We Ride!
SPEAKER_06:Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. And I need all of you to stop what you're doing and listen!
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